Posted on 10/17/2003 11:58:54 PM PDT by PsyOp
Bingo! And with socialism dead, it's about all they've got.
I would be the last one to hold that against anyone. It's a tough read. Disjointed and repetitious enough to bring tears to your eyes. No textbook I ever read in college was as much of an effort to wade through.
I think that part of the whole "you need an Imam" BS is a cop-out that can be translated as, "I don't really get it, it's too hard to read, and I'd rather just let the guy with the beard tell me what it says."
Still a close call; Scientologists have to swallow some pretty dumb crap - they can't possibly have a surfeit of brain cells. Moo-level morons, from all indications.
Thanks. I meant to include that in the quotes at the end but forgot to. If you are interested in more Patton quotes I put together a thread you can access from my links page.
I agree. My daughter is at Fort Hood right now, but in January she will be going to Iraq. If she gets hurt over there because of the crap the dems and the media are pulling, her daddy is going to be pissed.
LOL! At least the scientologists don't go around blowing themselves up.
Thank you.
Posted on 10/18/2003 12:10 PM EDT by Brian S
Bin Laden Tells U.S. to Quit Iraq-Jazeera TV Sat October 18, 2003 11:50 AM ET
DUBAI (Reuters) - Arabic satellite television Al Jazeera said on Saturday al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden had sent an audio message advising the United States to quit Iraq.
The television has yet to broadcast the audio tape but made a text of it available to the media.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1003539/posts
Posted on 10/18/2003 10:36 AM EDT by Brian S
JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer Saturday, October 18, 2003
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(10-18) 06:38 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --
In a move that has raised the eyebrows of U.S. investigators, Saudi Arabia has doled out hundreds of thousands of dollars to provide lawyers and cover bail for Saudis detained or questioned in the United States during the crackdown on terrorism.
The Saudi government acknowledged concerns by the Justice Department and FBI, but said it was essential that Saudi citizens who are unfamiliar with the American legal system be provided with good lawyers to defend themselves.
"Our view is give them lawyers and let the process take its course, and if they are found guilty of crimes they will pay their price and would have had fair representation. If not, they should be released," said Adel al-Jubeir, Crown Prince Abdullah's foreign policy adviser.
John Pistole, assistant director of the FBI's counterterrorism division, told a Senate hearing recently that the bureau has raised concerns with the Saudi government that paying legal bills and bond for Saudis being questioned in the terror probe could influence their testimony.
"To us, that is tantamount to buying off a witness, if you will. So that gives us concern if the government is supplying money for defense counsel," Pistole said.
The United States does not provide its citizens with lawyers and bail money when they are detained in foreign countries, although U.S. embassies often will intervene to ensure they are treated fairly.
Immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide attacks, U.S. law enforcement focused heavily on Saudis after learning 16 of the 19 hijackers were from the kingdom.
Saudi officials say several hundred of their citizens were detained in the weeks immediately after Sept. 11 on immigration violations or terrorism suspicions, but the number detained today has dwindled to around a dozen.
A recent Justice Department investigation concluded that many immigrants rounded up after the terror attacks were improperly detained for unnecessarily long periods of time and some endured mental or physical abuse during detention. A small number of Saudis have been charged with crimes.
The Saudis also are paying for lawyers for any citizens who are detained or questioned by the FBI and are sometimes providing counsel to students as they apply, renew or comply with their visas to ensure they don't get in trouble. Saudi-paid lawyers have sat in on hundreds of interviews by FBI and immigration agents.
The U.S. lawyer hired by the Saudi Embassy to coordinate the hiring of attorneys across the country for Saudi citizens said she is mystified by the criticism.
"I am fascinated that the FBI is unhappy with it. Isn't the right to counsel a bedrock of the American court system?" asked Malea Kiblan, an immigration attorney who is lead counsel for the Saudis on immigration cases.
Kiblan said she has arranged attorneys for hundreds of Saudis who have been detained on visa violations or simply been instructed by immigration agents to sit down and be interviewed.
When University of Idaho graduate student Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, a Saudi, was arrested earlier this year on federal charges accusing him of links to Islamic radicals, immigration and FBI officials rounded up Saudi and Muslim students in Idaho for questioning, she said.
"The agents were flown in on a military air transport plane," Kiblan said. Al-Hussayen as well as all the students interviewed during the sweep were provided lawyers paid by the Saudi Embassy, she said.
In some instances, Kiblan said, the Saudi government also has paid for bail or bond so Saudis could be released from detention, and is providing some attorneys to assist with visa renewals or interviews.
"In the end, such help benefits the United States as well by ensuring they stay within the law," Kiblan said.
She said that in recent months there have been renewed immigration sweeps that have temporarily detained Saudi students in such places as Florida and Michigan. Many of the students were caught off guard when they were picked up by FBI or immigration agents, she said.
"Many of these students are being debriefed multiple times by the FBI, and it has been a very traumatic experience," Kiblan said.
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